{"id":28468,"date":"2016-11-04T07:00:28","date_gmt":"2016-11-04T07:00:28","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.skwigly.co.uk\/?p=28468"},"modified":"2016-11-04T11:26:54","modified_gmt":"2016-11-04T11:26:54","slug":"kent-osborne","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.skwigly.co.uk\/kent-osborne\/","title":{"rendered":"Interview with &#8216;Adventure Time&#8217; Head Writer Kent Osborne"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em><strong>As the Head Writer of <\/strong><\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.skwigly.co.uk\/?s=adventure+time\"><strong>Adventure Time<\/strong><\/a><em><strong>, and with credits on shows such as <\/strong><\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.skwigly.co.uk\/?s=Spongebob+Squarepants\"><strong>Spongebob Squarepants<\/strong><\/a><em><strong>, <\/strong><\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.skwigly.co.uk\/ben-bocquelet\/\"><strong>The Amazing World of Gumball<\/strong><\/a><em><strong> and <\/strong><\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.skwigly.co.uk\/rebecca-sugar\/\"><strong>Steven Universe<\/strong><\/a><em><strong>, it\u2019s fair to say that Kent Osborne is a pretty cool guy. Okay, he\u2019s more than pretty cool \u2013 he\u2019s THE guy to know in the world of hit cartoons, and Skwigly headed to London Comic Con last weekend to meet the man himself.<\/strong><\/em><br \/>\n<em><strong>Read on as we chat all about writing for animation, the finale of <\/strong><\/em><strong>Adventure Time<\/strong><em><strong>, and the origins of Ned Flanders\u2026<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>So Kent, you\u2019ve worked on so many great shows as a writer, storyboard artist, voice director (and more!) but how did you initially get into animation?<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I was trying be an actor, and I started writing so I could write stuff I could act in. I wrote a movie that my brother and I made \u2013 he directed it and I wrote it and acted in it \u2013 and the creator of <em>Spongebob Squarepants<\/em> came to see a screening, and then brought me in to interview for <em>Spongebob<\/em> because they needed a writer. So I kinda lucked into it! My brother\u2019s an animator, and had gone to CalArts in California, so when I first moved out there a lot of his friends were fellow students that went on to work at Pixar and Dreamworks and Cartoon Network, so yeah, I was very lucky that I knew all these people before they became successful.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>It\u2019s a good crowd!<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Yeah! So that\u2019s how I got in at <em>Spongebob<\/em>, and was writing episode outlines. Then a storyboarder left and they asked me to fill in, which I was very nervous about doing because I can\u2019t draw that well. But they taught me how to draw!<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>So was that your first art gig?<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Professionally, yeah! I love comics, and I used to make my own autobiographical comics, but they were really just stick figures of me talking about being single in Los Angeles. So I was trying to learn how to draw better, which was easy to do being on a crew with a bunch of really good artists. I could just walk into the next office and ask, \u2018Where does the horizon line go here?\u2019 and they\u2019re like, \u2018Oh, let me give you eight books on perspective!\u2019<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Adventure Time | Marceline &amp; Ice King&#039;s Love Story | Cartoon Network\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/pZi_IOOQYBU?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><strong><em>Adventure Time<\/em> is a storyboard-driven show, and as I come from a purely scriptwriting background myself, the board-driven concept seems a bit of a mysterious beast to me! Could you explain a little bit more about how the story process works?<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Anyone who gets a storyboard credit is basically a writer too. Where it all starts is you write a premise which is one paragraph, and you\u2019re saying, \u2018This episode is about Finn and Jake going to the Ice Kingdom because Ice King kidnapped a princess, and they have to get her back\u2026\u2019<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>Classic!<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Yeah, classic story! (laughs) So then you have to flesh that out and make it into a 2 or 3 page outline, usually with a 3 act structure (first act is 3 beats, second act is 6 beats, third act is 3 beats \u2013 although there is some leeway in there). You\u2019re basically trying to describe the story without getting into too much detail. It\u2019d be like: Beat 1, Finn wakes up, he\u2019s having breakfast with Jake, there\u2019s a knock on the door; Beat 2, it\u2019s the Ice King blah blah blah. You just wanna get that skeleton of a story down. And when that gets approved you hand it off to a storyboard team, a team of two people, and they\u2019ll split it in half. Sometimes they\u2019ll split it right down the middle, sometimes one will take Act 1 and 3 and the other one will take Act 2, or sometimes they leapfrog beat by beat. Some partners don\u2019t work together at all! They sort of say, \u2018See you in two weeks!\u2019 And some partners like to pin it up and brainstorm with each other and figure stuff out. But then yeah, when you\u2019re storyboarding, it\u2019s your decision for things like, \u2018How\u2019s Finn sleeping? What\u2019s the camera angle gonna be like? What are the jokes when he wakes up? Is it an alarm clock, does he wake up \u2018cos BMO\u2019s poking him in the face?\u2019 So you get to figure out those little details and character moments and stuff. Every show I\u2019ve worked on has been board-driven.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>Ah right! I was going to ask whether you had an experience of a more script-led show in the past.<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Well I did work on <em>Phineas and Ferb<\/em> at Disney, which was Disney\u2019s first board-driven show, but they were really nervous when they started and the premises were like 11 or 12 pages! We\u2019d just get these huge outlines, and then it\u2019s not as fun boarding because you have to stick to everything, and all the dialogue is already in there \u2013 it was kinda like a script in an outline form. You have to have a little bit of imagination when you read an outline I think \u2013 it\u2019s definitely more fun to have that freedom to come up with stuff.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div id=\"attachment_28475\" style=\"width: 560px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-28475\" class=\" wp-image-28475\" src=\"https:\/\/www.skwigly.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/adventuretime-620x442.jpg\" alt=\"Adventure Time (\u00a9Cartoon Network)\" width=\"550\" height=\"392\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-28475\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Adventure Time <em>(\u00a9Cartoon Network)<\/em><\/p><\/div>\n<p><strong>What would you say are your ideal writing conditions?<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Oh, definitely in a group, although sometimes it depends on the people you\u2019re with! The best rooms I\u2019ve been in are when everyone gets along \u2013 that\u2019s a good deal. It\u2019s always nice when there\u2019s one person that\u2019s really good with action, and there\u2019s one person that\u2019s really good at jokes, and there\u2019s one person who\u2019s really good at structure, and there\u2019s one person who really loves throwing out ideas, and nine out of ten ideas are horrible but then the tenth one\u2019s great! In boarding too it\u2019s great to bounce ideas off someone, because I could suggest something which could make you think of something, which would make me think of something \u2013 so I couldn\u2019t have got there without you. But then also I do like to write alone, because it\u2019s more peaceful \u2013 so it\u2019s a little bit of both.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>Is there anything in particular you like to do to tap into your creative juices?<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Yeah! I ride my bike to work (which is weird in LA) but the best thing about it is that it takes about an hour, and a lot of it is on this bike path that goes along the LA river, and I can sort of zone out. Sometimes I\u2019ll be like, \u2018Oh I gotta figure out this Act 2,\u2019 and I\u2019ll think, \u2018Oh I\u2019ll just save it for my bike ride!\u2019 So it\u2019s pretty good because you can let your mind wander, and then you\u2019ve gotta pull over and write it down. There\u2019s an episode of Mad Men when Peggy is having a hard time coming up with something, and Don Draper says something like, \u2018Think about it deeply, and then forget it, and the answer will come to you,\u2019 which I thought was a good idea! So if I get stuck on something I\u2019ll just think, \u2018Right, forget it,\u2019 and I\u2019ll go bowling or something. And then when you least expect it, something will trigger an idea and you\u2019re like, \u2018Oh wow that\u2019s it!\u2019<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Adventure Time | Top Alternate Reality Moments | Cartoon Network\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/8StcE7Z9Efs?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><strong>I&#8217;ll remember that one for myself! So back to <em>Adventure Time<\/em> \u2013 how would you say you and the team find a balance between the comedy and the sincerity of the show? There&#8217;s often a deepness behind the funny stuff.<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Hm. Yeah I don&#8217;t know if we do it consciously! Like, we don&#8217;t have a scale! (laughs) But I think, Pen Ward, that&#8217;s just his sensibility. He&#8217;s super funny, and also he&#8217;s really deep, and he&#8217;s sweet and he loves being alive, and the crew he assembled have a similar sensibility. Sometimes if people are new, they&#8217;ll try to make every line funny, and as soon as you pitch it you think, &#8216;Oh this isn&#8217;t working,&#8217; because you don&#8217;t have those moments to breathe. The first board I pitched was just characters saying, &#8216;Hey, how&#8217;s it going?&#8217; &#8216;Y&#8217;know, pretty good,\u2019 and Pen&#8217;s like, &#8216;I love this dialogue!&#8217; I was like, &#8216;There&#8217;s no jokes in it! But okay!&#8217;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>Obviously the show is a big hit with kids and adults. Was that something you discovered along the way, or was it more of a conscious decision to tap into that universal appeal?<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Oh yeah, I think it just happened organically. At <em>Spongebob<\/em>, I remember they thought, &#8216;Oh this is great, because kids love it and college kids love it and adult love it,&#8217; and then after that everyone wanted to make a show like that. But I think that&#8217;s the wrong way to go about it, because then no-one&#8217;s going to like it! I have a niece and a nephew and if I try to make them laugh, they won&#8217;t laugh &#8211; they&#8217;ll just roll their eyes. But if I&#8217;m actually just being funny, they&#8217;ll laugh because they&#8217;re smart and they get it and they know why it&#8217;s funny. So I think that&#8217;s how we approach writing. We&#8217;re never trying to go, &#8216;Oh kids&#8217;ll love this!&#8217; or &#8216;Kids love when people fall down!&#8217; We just write stuff that we like. I think a lot of parents have to watch cartoons with their kids, and a lot of cartoons are horrible, which is like torture to parents, but then we have parents come up to us saying, &#8216;Thank you so much! THANK YOU, you don&#8217;t understand!&#8217; (laughs)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>So recently it was announced that <em>Adventure Time<\/em> is ending after Season 9\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>It is?! Is that true??<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>(laughs) Sorry to break it to you!! How do you feel about it ending?<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>It\u2019s weird because I&#8217;ve never been on a show this long, and I don&#8217;t think Cartoon Network has done a show with this many episodes \u2013 for the past few seasons we&#8217;ve been surprised I think every time it gets picked up. And I think a lot of us were thinking in the back of our minds, &#8216;When is this going to end? Am I gonna be 80 and still writing this?!&#8217; It is sad, and everyone&#8217;s kind of grieving, but it&#8217;s hard to feel too bad about it, because first of all, they have so many episodes in the bank that it&#8217;s gonna play for another couple years, and they did give us an opportunity to spend a lot of time thinking about the finale, so we&#8217;re working on that right now. And also when we told Tom Kenny, who plays the voice of Ice King, he said, \u2018Well, just this week I did voices for <a href=\"https:\/\/www.skwigly.co.uk\/lightbox-haley-mancini\/\"><em>Powerpuff Girls<\/em><\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.skwigly.co.uk\/podcasts\/skwigly-animation-podcast-29\/\"><em>Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles<\/em><\/a> and <em>Samurai Jack<\/em>,\u2019 which are all reboots! So this isn\u2019t going anywhere. But yeah, it\u2019s bittersweet.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div id=\"attachment_28473\" style=\"width: 510px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-28473\" class=\"size-full wp-image-28473\" src=\"https:\/\/www.skwigly.co.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/sophie_kent.jpg\" alt=\"Sophie Dutton &amp; Kent Osborne at London MCM Comic Con\" width=\"500\" height=\"335\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-28473\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><em>Sophie Dutton &amp; Kent Osborne at London MCM Comic Con<\/em><\/p><\/div>\n<p><strong>Speaking of the finale\u2026 can we have a hint about what might be in store for the last two seasons?<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I will say \u2013 not only as someone who works on it but as a huge fan too \u2013 I\u2019m really excited with what we\u2019re coming up with, and I hope it\u2019s satisfying to anyone who\u2019s been watching the show all along. The weird thing with animation is that you\u2019ll write a season and it\u2019s like a year before the season even comes out. It\u2019s so weird to think that Season 8 hasn\u2019t come out yet! And so much happens in Season 8\u2026<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>*excited squeak*<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Yeah, I could spoil a lot of stuff right now! (laughs)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>Finally, what advice could you give to a writer at the beginning of their first show? Or say, if you could go back in time and give yourself some advice at the beginning of your career, what would it be?<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Hmm. I wouldn\u2019t give myself any advice because I\u2019ve done so well! Yeah I wouldn\u2019t wanna screw anything up \u2013 butterfly effect! I would steer clear of me! (laughs) I would say a lot of mistakes people make when they\u2019re starting their own show is they\u2019re overthinking it. They\u2019re figuring out the first five seasons ahead of time, and it makes it hard to pitch because you\u2019re pitching this crazy, huge, epic world and story with so many characters \u2013 if you\u2019re pitching that to someone their eyes are gonna glaze over. But if you just pitch a show like, \u2018This is a show about two friends, and they live in this world, and there\u2019s another character, and then there\u2019s a jerk,\u2019 you can let it evolve more organically. I remember in <em>The Simpsons<\/em>, they were talking about the first season, and Ned Flanders was originally just \u2018The neighbour who has everything.\u2019 Ned Flanders wasn\u2019t even a Christian in the first season! He was just a goody-goody that\u2019s got better stuff. It happened organically \u2013 someone probably just pitched a joke where he was praying and they all laughed and kept building on that and it turned into who he is. I\u2019d say take your time \u2013 take your time with it.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>Thanks so much, Kent! Great to meet you, and hope you enjoyed the rest of Comic Con!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Adventure Time Season 8 is due to be released in 2017, exact dates TBA.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>As the Head Writer of Adventure Time, and with credits on shows such as Spongebob Squarepants, The Amazing World of Gumball and Steven Universe, it\u2019s fair to say that Kent Osborne is a pretty cool guy. 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